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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:21 pm

I wonder if adding some black in the right places might do it. But I tried that on the clan emblem and it messed it up. I really wish we could preview what it would look like better. It would be a shame if it ended up like this guys emblem.

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/208709-i-need-tips-for-the-clan-emblem/

Although we can always upload it again. Somehow I think if we go with the red glow we may need to upload it twice.
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Aetherys on Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:39 pm

Oh, poor guy..well, Im gonna try reducing the red glow, post it, and see if you can preview it like you did O=
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:47 pm

Sounds good I think we may need to make it a bit smaller as well so it has more room for the glow.
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Aetherys on Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:58 pm

Okie, so now I just reduced the glow size so now it fits in the square without having to reduce the emblem more so it doesnt compromise detail, and its opacity so it shouldnt be as brighter as before, made 2 just in case:



The red glow is barely noticeable, but its there, and maybe after the test it will show up



And this one is like 50% less than the original you tried.

Hope thats better ^^
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:51 pm

This is what those look like.





I think I like the second one better and maybe it does not need to be scaled down as much. It seems like there is more room now.
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:17 pm

A lot of the fine detail on the image is washed out. Maybe instead of trying to have some of those lines as transparency they should instead be just black lines on the image itself. Here is a test I did. Also I noticed that one side of the emblem was different then the other when it was scaled down so I mirrored it it also fixed it being an odd size horizontally.




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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Chamundi on Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:06 pm

ok so basically all were doing now is fixing it and improving visability. then what is next. colors or are we going to stick to the red since clan color is red.
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:22 pm

Well we basically just need to make sure it’s going to upload right. We can try different colors. I think that the red is nice although maybe we need to move to a redder red right now it looks kind of pink.
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Aetherys on Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:37 pm

Actually Kilo, the red I used is the purest red available, so is the reddest of reds x)

Anyways, I tried using a darker Red, maybe that will make it look less brighter or something, dunno O=



And here, since you tried black, I want to see how this would look like. Maybe black will act as transparency or something, but still, can you see how that works?



And last thing: there's no need to resize it, since its height is actually 128px, so yea x)
I hope that works, if not, then I have no idea what else to do, since the only way to make the red look bright was using it at 100 opacity but that will make it explode in bloom, but if not, then the second one of the last time didnt look that bad, at least in my opinion. Anyways, I will cross my fingers x)
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:21 pm

here are how those look





Features are going to have to be a bit larger or they will be washed out. Adding black will reduce or eliminated the glow in that part of the image. It not going to look good on the edge but if you want something to stand out make it dark.
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:31 pm

Ok what about this I darkened the lines which were being washed out. The top images is how it looks without being run though the in game simulator, and the bottom is how it will look in game. The top image is close to how it will look in game menus.





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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:53 pm

Below is an emblem with red glow and how it looked when it was uploaded. Maybe it will help us figure out how much transparency and the right color to get it to look right in game.



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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:05 pm

Here is how it looks with a lot more red.





The white is glowing and mixing with the red causing the edge glow to be more pink. Maybe we should just have a white edge glow, I think it might look sharper in game.



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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:55 pm

I uploaded the emblem if it doesn't look good in game we will uploaded it again, once we see what it looks like.
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:07 pm

I think the emblem uploaded nice. Truthfully I don’t think it needed any glow at all and it would have glowed plenty without any edge glow. I think it looks nice in game and the black I added makes the fine detains visible at least in curtain lighting conditions.

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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:13 pm

I do wonder if the emblem is to small and bright. If we had made it a a bit bigger and darker without any additional edge glow it would not have needed the black highlights. He is an example below tell me want you guys think.



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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Aetherys on Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:14 am

In my honest opinion, we should get rid of the glow completely, so it looks even clearer. In my liset it has too much glow BUT during missions it looks real nice ^^
And giving it transparency like you did, is it like 80%? or is it just grey? in the last tests I mean, that would make it glow less right? also, by getting rid of the glow, the emblem will have more room, so its gonna be bigger that way.

Anyways, I think its good for now and I dont see an immediate reason to reupload it, at least not until I figure out how to make it more red, like you did =)

Oh, and last thing, doesnt the flags in the Dojo observatory be showing the alliance emblem?
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:58 am

I agree it does look nice in most missions although in some lighting environment its way too bright. Since the emblem is emissive it’s brighter then would be expected, I just made it grayer. I think darkening it is the best way to make it less bright. The alpha will just give it a glowing effect but not really change the brightness it will just become semitransparent. If the emblem has a lot of alpha then it will only have a little glow but the emblem will also be mostly transparent.

I think it will be fine for now it’s a really nice emblem but in the future I agree with you that the glow should go and I like the idea of making it a bit bigger.

The observatory, oracle, and dueling rooms for whatever reason come will flags already as part of the room. They have the lotus emblem or other stuff on them and can’t be changed.

Here is what it look like in solid red I think I like the white better though.




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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Aetherys on Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:26 am

Yush! I like the idea of the grey, I think that would fix the majority of these issues.
And yea, I will make some test with grey and resizing the emblem, with and without glow in a single post for future reference.

About the solid red, it looks cool, maybe for another emblem, maybe for a clan design I might try that, dunno but still! and the flag part is odd, but Oh well =)
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Chamundi on Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:07 pm

personally solid red would be nice but i would like it to be cleaned up a bit. as for cleaned up what i mean is the lines in some areas deleted and others elongated to sort of isolate the design a bit more and accentuate the upper portion and central piece.  i feel if we make it white it really should be more of a gray with red outline like the other one you have up kilorad. Although the colors can be reversed or solid red. on a personal level i like it solid red but i think the red is to bright. there are images of a darker red below post, so that the red is not to bright in some lighting areas. here is also an image and link of what it looks like for me at the moment in game as well as original size.i am using SweetFX so the glow from bloom and HDR is greatly enhanced for me.





Original Screenshot.
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:06 pm

I see what your say it’s a good Idea I many try to do something like that and see how it looks. I think just making it bigger darker and removing the glow will help a lot. I need to start getting some plat together so we can re-upload it.
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:28 pm

I feel like the hexagon border may be too merged with the emblem. maybe it should be darker or a different color here is an example. Although it does remind me a bit of ghost busters. Wink





Having a different color glowing edge won’t work well but we can make larger parts of the emblem different colors without it all blending together.
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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by me.drew on Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:32 am



this is what i threw togeather real quick

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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Chamundi on Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:47 pm

Kilorad wrote:I feel like the hexagon border may be too merged with the emblem. maybe it should be darker or a different color here is an example. Although it does remind me a bit of ghost busters. Wink
Having a different color glowing edge won’t work well but we can make larger parts of the emblem different colors without it all blending together.

i completely agree with changing colors and changing shades for a darker image so glow effect is not to strong and the emblem is clear and easy to see. the only problem if that is what you want to call it is the fact that  to much detail can be bad, it is all about finding a good medium. lets say the thin line on the hexagon as well as other areas to be removed and make the image a bit cleaner in the sense that there is not to many small details. they end up getting washed out with glow effect although regardless of what we use as an emblem pure white, middle finger, dice, or what ever we end up using.
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how about this as an example i feel the gold is nice most of us have prime weapons and soon all tintable metallics will be released IE prime gold will be tintable to other colors. this image is simple gold gradient with black outline not a glow or highlight.

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Re: ALLIANCE EMBLEM

Post by Kilorad on Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:17 pm

I tried gold and it didn't look quite right. Anyways I uploaded an updated alliance emblem on impulse.



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